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sanity claus	real or fake?	Lead	[-]
Posts: 969 (10/25/07 14:20:48) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Tags : None Remove this ad some great questions,lol cgi.ebay.co.uk/SEX-PISTOL...dZViewItem
GEEBEETEE	Re: real or fake?	#1	[-]
Posts: 1143 (10/25/07 14:38:20) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	And a nice mix of white label TP`s with pic sleeves, anyone smell a blue pie baking?
Dan	Re:	#2	[-]
Posts: 3363 (10/25/07 15:02:15) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Does he want to sell it or not? Selling a 1000000000000000000 record? Sure, take the pics with a $2 1995 webcam. The Siouxsie Hong Kong Garden WLTP... hmm, how could you fake that? Originals have either injection moulded labels or a press out centre... Unless it's a defaced Aussie or Irish HKG???
sanity claus	Re:	#3	[-]
Posts: 969 (10/25/07 23:17:45) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	there is a lot of very suspect items,poor pics just make them even more suspect
miner154	Re:	#4	[-]
Posts: 6221 (10/26/07 05:45:03) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	I guess with some TPs they may not bother making push outs but I agree it's very suspect to say the least. The first pressing of HKG is the silver moulded labels, the paper ones were a later press IIRC He says he bought them as a joblot, hmmmm off you know who - you could be right there Glyn
GEEBEETEE	Re:	#5	[-]
Posts: 1143 (10/26/07 06:58:52) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	miner what made me think of you know who was that, theres a nice mixture oif old 60`s singles and mingled in a few rare WLTP`s, its got him written all over it, maybe a new moniker he trades under?
miner154	Re:	#6	[-]
Posts: 6221 (10/26/07 08:44:18) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Yes or a mate taking pictures on a five year old camera phone I mean those pictures are just silly. If those listings were genuine they would fetch 15 grand plus for the lot you'd think he'd invest in a camera. FFS my phone has a 5 mega pixel camera on it.
gordfish	Re:	#7	[-]
Posts: 117 (10/26/07 10:31:44) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	..probably trying to make back the postage he lost on this lot.. cgi.ebay.co.uk/LOAD-OF-EP...dZViewItem atb g.
sanity claus	Re:	#8	[-]
Posts: 969 (10/26/07 14:36:09) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	even more white labels added now, i like the way he says that he bought a collection of records inc 200 w/labels,in all my yrs of collecting ive never been offered a collection like that also that he sells records as a hobby and isnt bothered about making money????? very strange indeed
miner154	Re:	#9	[-]
Posts: 6221 (10/27/07 00:57:41) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	'I got them off a mate as a joblot honest guv' was the excuse bluepyevinnie gave to Tobe (who runs a Stiff website) when we caught him out before, even though the only was we were really sure was he bought them one month on ebay and the silly greedy tw@t couldn't wait until the 3 months item listing was deleted and punted them out too quickly WL/TP are really suspect now thanks to these clowns
Dan	Re:	#10	[-]
Posts: 3363 (10/29/07 11:49:08) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Remove this ad I hope he at least gets a new camera with the money from GSTQ.
miner154	Re:	#11	[-]
Posts: 6221 (11/02/07 08:09:17) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	I think most people must have been of the opinion that these are DIY'd cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISA...:IT&ih=003 cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISA...:IT&ih=003 cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISA...:IT&ih=003 cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISA...:IT&ih=003 cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISA...:IT&ih=003 (unless theer is a mad bidding rush at the end)
GEEBEETEE	Re:	#12	[-]
Posts: 1143 (11/02/07 08:22:10) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	miner if you look close they all look like the same record? i mean take the banana splits? i`m sure without looking it doesn`t take up a full side like the one in the picture. speaking of which how come other auctions ended before that gatq are better quality? cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISA...0159271010 an easy way to make a pic look blurry on purpose would be to take it looking through a pvc cover
miner154	Re:	#13	[-]
Posts: 6221 (11/02/07 08:30:11) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Glyn, I'm not sure what you mean? Do you mean it's the same record used in all photos with different sleeves next to them as the run off groove gap looks the same on all of them. The Dickies single has 4 known (maybe 5) different presses alone I've also just noticed that the Hong Kong Garden is 19 and not 1.90 Also a corner of the sleeve looks like the mice have had a feast on it
GEEBEETEE	Re:	#14	[-]
Posts: 1143 (11/02/07 09:46:36) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	what i meant was the length of the track, like hong kong garden is about 3 minutes and banana splits half that, yet the length looks the same on both records and the rest. records on the pics are roughly the same size as is the yellow marker i added; img.photobucket.com/album...4215_1.jpg img.photobucket.com/album...d4b8_1.jpg
miner154	Re:	#15	[-]
Posts: 6221 (11/02/07 09:52:20) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Yes I thought that's what you meant - I looked at rhe run off grooves that gap seems pretty much the same all the way through. I'll dig out my HKG paper label and Banana SPlits in a bit if they are vastly different I'll pose a q to the seller and see what (if anything) that generates
GEEBEETEE	Re:	#16	[-]
Posts: 1143 (11/02/07 09:59:01) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	be a real pain & ask him the matrixes
Diddad	Re:	#17	[-]
Posts: 87 (11/02/07 18:05:34) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Those white labels pictured do look suspiciously similar don't they? Maybe he's using the same one for each picture and then he doesn't need to do the work removing the label for items that don't sell.
miner154	Re:	#18	[-]
Posts: 6221 (11/03/07 05:32:08) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	*Quote:* Those white labels pictured do look suspiciously similar don't they? Maybe he's using the same one for each picture and then he doesn't need to do the work removing the label for items that don't sell. Yes that crossed my mind too, rather dodgy to say the least
miner154	Re: real or fake?	#19	[-]
Posts: 6221 (11/03/07 10:14:09) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	*Quote:* Dear miner154, all white labels are what they are[white labels].the only way i can tell is by playing them or giving people the marix no and in groove writing.got about 2000 sol about 100 no complaints so far .thanks for your email.joanne<br/> Either they misunderstood me or............ They didn't publish the question either which they seem to do for all other q's I asked on the Dickies single BTW So I've now asked them another *Quote:* Hi thanks for your reply, however I ws not talking about the labels but the actual vinyl, every record you list as WL has what appears to be exactly the same run off groove size.
miner154	Re: real or fake?	#20	[-]
Posts: 6221 (11/03/07 10:55:17) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Remove this ad Talking of WL singles I can't remember hardly any exosting in the sleeves unless proof sleeves. They came in plain sleeves. And are produced to test the sound quality. Promo singles either have a sticker on or more common with most 760s/70s labels had specific promo/demo labels - granted small labels didn't have special labels but they tend to use stickers of sorts (think NR plug copy). But your big labels did, A&M for instance (the Dickies) have a large A label. The word for these is paradox! In the mid/late 80s WL being promos started off and became the thing to do for many labels. I've got some WL Wire items with sleeves - but strictly these are promos. I do also have genuine 1980s Wire WL/TP and they have no sleeve at all/ Anyone agree/disagree?

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